Seeing Eye To Eye? (Not Even A Little Bit!)

For months now, I have been grappling with the content of a blog that I’ve wanted to write, but each time that I start it, for various reasons, I stop, leaving the body of my work unfinished on my blog site, but saved just in case I decide that I want to go back and finish it.  There are so many things that I want to say, so many points that I want to make, so many questions that I want to ask, and so many answers that I crave.  So, I decided to take a different approach, and instead of saying what I wanted to say, asking the questions that I wanted to ask, I’ll let others do it for me in the form of an interview.  I asked the exact same questions of a Trump supporter and a non-Trump supporter, and was blown away by the extreme differences between their answers.  I will NOT give their names.  Instead, I will refer to them as Interview Subject #1 (IS1), who is a supporter of Donald Trump, and Interview Subject #2 (IS2), who is a non-supporter.  GP is me.  It should also be noted that I informed them that I would be using their answers in my article but would not name them.  Both of them gave me their approval, on the condition that their real names would not be used.  Let me know if you find their differences in their answers as amazing as I do!!

GP:  First of all, I would like to thank you for taking this time with me and answering my questions.  We’ll agree first off not to be disrespectful to each other because we view things differently.  Do you agree with that?

IS1:  Sure, okay.

GP:  You voted for Donald Trump for President, right?

IS1:  Yes, I did.

GP:  Can you tell me why?

IS1:  Lots of reasons.

GP:  Okay, but what was the main reason?

IS1:  To keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House.  I only had two choices, so I voted for the one that I thought was the lesser of the two evils.

GP:  Okay.  Now, I want to ask you some questions about current events, things that are being said in the news about President Trump.  Is that okay?

IS1:  Sure, go ahead.

GP:  First of all, do you think Mr. Trump is doing a good job as the President?

IS1:  I think he’s doing a wonderful job.

GP:  Can you elaborate on that?  What is it that he’s doing that you deem as good?

IS1:  Well, jobs are up, unemployment is down, illegals are being kept out.  You know, the important things.

GP:  Let me interrupt you for a moment and ask you about the illegals and what is going on right now.

IS1:  Okay.

GP:  How do you feel about all of these children being taken away from their parents at the border and placed into the custody of ICE officials or put into foster care?

IS1:  Well, it’s not good, and it’s kind of sad, but they shouldn’t have broken the law.

GP:  By breaking the law, you mean crossing over the border illegally?

IS1:  Exactly!

GP:  Does it bother you that these children, some of which are infants, have been, more or less, snatched from their mothers’ arms, all the while screaming and crying?

IS1:  Well, like I said, it’s a little sad, but again, they shouldn’t have broken the law.  That’s why they need to hurry up and get the border wall built.  Maybe then that won’t keep happening.

GP:  So then, is it safe to say you support building a border wall?

IS1:  Yes, I sure do.  There are laws for coming into the United States, and if they want to come here, then they need to do it legally.  If they don’t, then they shouldn’t be upset when stuff like this happens.

GP:  By “stuff,” you mean the taking away of the children?

IS1:  Yes.

GP:  Okay, next question.  How do you feel about the investigation being conducted by Robert Mueller into Russian collusion in the Trump Campaign?

IS1:  There was no collusion!  It’s a total witch hunt!

GP:  Okay, calm down.  Remember, we agreed to remain diplomatic.

IS1: (laughs)  Okay, go ahead.

GP:  Guess I don’t have to ask you again how you feel about it, right?  But why do you say it’s a witch hunt?

IS1:  Because it is.  There’s absolutely no proof that anybody colluded with the Russians in order to help Mr. Trump win the Presidency.  If there was any proof, don’t you think that Mueller would have released it by now?

GP:  You DO realize that Mr. Mueller has so far produced 19 indictments, 5 guilty pleas, 3 companies have been charged for the roles that they played, and an attorney is currently serving prison time for his part?  And the chances are good that there will be more to come.

IS1:  I’ve heard something about that, but still.  I think it’s a pile of fake, made up shit.  (Covers mouth)  Oops, sorry.

GP:  That’s okay.  We’re both adults here.

IS1:  I’ll try not to say that again.

GP:  But still, what?  You still don’t believe that anyone associated with the Trump campaign did anything wrong?

IS1:  No, I don’t.  But time will tell, we’ll see.

GP:  Do you ever watch the news, read the newspaper or read any magazine articles?

IS1:  Sometimes, but the MSM (mainstream media) is so biased and anti-Trump that I can’t stand listening to them.  All they do is lie about him and bash him.

GP:  So, whenever you do watch the news, is there any particular channel you watch?  I mean, you have to be getting your information from somewhere.

IS1:  From Fox News.  I like listening to Sean Hannity.  He really tells it like it is.

GP:  Are there any others?

IS1:  Nope!  I wouldn’t be caught dead watching CNN or MSNBC!  But, no, I don’t read any newspapers.

GP:  Not even online?

IS1:  Nope.

GP:  Alright.  I’m sure that Fox News has covered the story involving President Trump and Stormy Daniels?

IS1:  You mean the whore?

GP:  Well, I’m not going to call her that, but I think we’re talking about the same person, yes.  So you are aware of the accusations?

IS1:  Yes.

GP:  And you don’t believe her?

IS1:  No, she’s lying!  Isn’t it obvious?

GP:  What makes you say it’s obvious that she’s lying?

IS1:  Well, for starters, she IS (emphasis mine) a porn star!  Have you seen President Trump’s wife?  Why would he bang a porn star?  And so what if he did?  It’s not like he did it inside the White House like Clinton (Bill) did.  And it’s also in his past.  Who cares whether or not he screwed a whore?  I sure don’t.  Doesn’t change how I feel about my President.

GP:  Let me ask you something for clarification before we go any further.  You stated that Bill Clinton did it in the White House.  I’m guessing you mean that he had sex there?

IS1:  Yes.

GP:  Do you support or condone infidelity?  In other words, does it make a difference where the sex act was performed to deem it sinful or unacceptable?

IS1:  Do I support it?  No.  I mean, it’s not something I would do personally, but what does President Trump sleeping with different women have to do with his ability to perform his duties as President.

GP:  None, I suppose.  I just wanted to make sure I understood your point.

IS1:  Oh, alright.

GP:  Would it surprise you if I told you that he admitted to the accusations to a reporter while aboard Airforce One, telling the reporter to check with his attorney, Michael Cohen, to get the details?

IS1:  No, he didn’t.  That’s just another lie coming from MSM!  You can’t believe anything they say.  They’re all liars.

GP:  Speaking of liars, do you believe that President Trump tells a lot of lies?

IS1:  Name one.

GP:  (After a short laugh)  No, I’m asking you what you think, not what I think.

IS1:  No, I don’t think he’s a liar.  People just take everything he says and they twist it around so it’ll sound like what they want to hear.  I honestly can’t think of one lie that he’s told, and what difference does it make anyway?  Everybody tells a lie every now and then, don’t they?

GP:  Okay, let’s move on to something else, how’s that?

IS1:  Go ahead.

GP:  Do you think, or do you believe, that the Russians interfered in the 2016 Presidential election?

IS1:  If you’re saying that the only reason Trump is the President is because of them, then no, I’ll never believe that.  He won fair and square.  People just need to get over it and move on.  How come they’re not worried about whether or not Hillary should be in prison for the crimes she committed?  Or Obummer (nope, not a typo) for destroying our country?

GP:  Okay, I don’t want to get off track here, you understand?

IS1:  (a shrug)

GP:  Do you want me to stop?  You appear to be getting somewhat annoyed or angry.

IS1:  No, I’m okay.  But it does make me mad when people say that.

GP:  Okay, just so we’re clear, that is not what I said, nor am I implying that.  All I want is to know how you feel and what you believe.

IS1:  Sorry, I just get a little bent out of shape sometimes, you know?

GP:  It’s okay.  Can I go on or would you rather stop now?

IS1:  Go on, I’m the one who agreed to this.  What the hell was I thinking?

(A short laugh from the both of us)

GP:  I’ll try not to make you any madder.  And, we’re moving on.  Just a few more questions and we’ll be finished.

IS1:  Good.  I know you mean well, but I feel like I’m being interrogated!

GP:  Well, you know I did work in law enforcement for a very long time.

IS1:  Yeah, and it shows!

(Another shared laugh)

GP:  Let me ask you something, *********.  Do you honestly think this investigation is a witch hunt, or are you just parroting what you hear?

IS1:  Parroting?

GP:  Repeating something that you’ve heard others say and you’re just going along with them, going with the flow.

IS1:  I believe it’s an uncalled for witch hunt, yes.  It should not be taking place.  It’s un-American and unconstitutional.  If they want to investigate somebody, they should be investigating Hillary Clinton!

GP:  I won’t ask you to elaborate on that one, because I know what both of those terms mean.  And I also will not elaborate on what Hillary Clinton did or didn’t do because she isn’t the subject of my interview.  I’m sure you understand that.

IS1:  Yeah, I guess I do.  You want to ask me about President Trump.

GP:  Right.  So, do you think Trump should fire Rod Rosenstein or Robert Mueller?  Or anyone else related to the investigation for that matter?

IS1:  (Pausing for thought)  I’m not sure.  I don’t know.  Skip that question.  I don’t want to say the wrong thing.

GP:  There are no right and wrong answers here.  This is all about how you feel and what you think.

IS1:  Skip it anyway.  I’m not really sure how I feel about that one.

GP:  Do you think President Trump is a racist, or exhibits racial tendencies?

IS1:  Hell no!  Why would you ask that?

GP:  Because a lot of people think that he is.  I want to know what you think.

IS1:  No, he isn’t a racist, and I don’t care what other people think about that.  They’re wrong.  (Strong shaking of the head to emphasize her feelings)  Move on, Glenda.

GP:  Are you familiar with what the Emoluments Clause is?

IS1:  Yes, I know what it is.

GP:  Are you aware of the fact that there are two pending lawsuits against President Trump for violations of the Emoluments Clause?

IS1:  For what?

GP:  I’m not going to feed you any information.  My suggestion to you is that you do some research, read the stories, and then come to your own conclusion.  I just wanted to know if you were aware of the pending lawsuits.

IS1:  No, I wasn’t, but I will look it up.

GP:  What do you think about the possible upcoming summit between President Trump and Kim Jong Un?

IS1:  I think it’s absolutely great!  He should get the Nobel Peace Prize for it.  I mean…

GP:  Hold up a second.  You think he should get the Nobel for something that hasn’t even happened yet?  It could still fall through and not happen.

IS1:  Then he should get it for at least trying.  No other President has ever tried before.

GP:  Do you use social media, like Facebook, Twitter or any others?

IS1:  Both, plus Snapchat and Instagram.

GP:  Do you ever participate in any types of forum comments and conversation.

IS1:  I have a few times, but every time I do all I see is negative, hateful comments from Anti-Trump snowflakes.  And if I make a comment and someone says something hateful back, it just makes me madder and we end up getting into a fight.

GP:  Have you ever had any kind of disagreements or arguments with family and/or friends over your beliefs, opinions and support for Donald Trump?

IS1:  Oh, yeah, constantly.  Who cares?  They think what they think and I think what I think, it’s that simple.

GP:  Do you know who Michael Cohen is?

IS1:  President Trump’s attorney?

GP:  Yep.  Do you have any feelings or opinions about all of the controversy surrounding him right now?

IS1:  No, I haven’t really been paying attention to him.

GP:  Okay.  Just a couple of more questions, I promise.  The question I want to ask you now, I think, is probably one of the more important questions, which is why I saved it for the last part of our interview.

(Another shared laugh)

GP:  Are you familiar with what it means to be an authoritarian country, or the meaning of a dictator?

IS1:  Of course, I know.

GP:  Do you think the US is heading in that direction?

IS1:  You mean like Hitler?

GP:  Exactly like Hitler.  Do you think we’re heading in that direction?

IS1:  No.  Why would you even ask that?  Do you think we are?

GP:  Oh no you don’t.  I told you, this isn’t about me.  I already know how I feel.  I’m interested in learning how others feel.

IS1:  No, we’re not going to turn into a dictatorship.  That will never happen.

GP:  Okay, last question.

(She wiped her forehead to show relief)

GP:  I want to reflect back on something we discussed earlier in regards to the Mueller investigation.

IS1:  Okay.

GP:  When the time comes for Mr. Mueller to go public with his findings, are you going to accept what he has to say, or will you still think it’s all made up?

IS1:  Ask me again when it happens, IF it ever happens.

GP:  What if Mr. Mueller announces that the charges he is filing are impeachable offenses?

IS1:  They’d better not impeach my President!

GP:  Well, we won’t really have any say in that conclusion.

IS1:  Well, then, just let me say this.  If President Trump is impeached, they will be sorry.

GP:  What do you mean by that?

IS1:  I mean his supporters would protest against it, probably by rioting and marching.

GP:  Would you participate in either one of those?

IS1:  Hell yes I would!  In a heartbeat!  I love my President!

GP:  That’s it.  See, that wasn’t so hard was it?

IS1:  It was kind of fun, actually.  Do I get to read it?

GP:  Once I transcribe it, yes.  I will post it on my website, but my website is linked to my Facebook account, so the link will be posted on there.  I’ll let you know when it’s ready for reading.

IS1:  Sounds good.

GP:  Thanks again for doing this for me.  I really appreciate it.

IS1:  You’re welcome.

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IS2:  Glenda, I can’t believe I let you talk me into this.

GP:  I’ll go easy on you, I promise.

IS2:  Am I the only one you’ve interviewed?

GP:  Nope.

IS2:  But I’m the only one that matters, right?  (laughing)  Who else did you talk to?

GP:  Come on, now, you know I’m not going to tell you that.

IS2:  Can you tell me what they said?

GP:  Nope.

IS2:  Dang.  It’s easier to pull teeth than it is to get something out of you!

GP:  I will tell you this, though.  I will ask you the exact same questions that I asked her.

IS2:  That sounds fair.

GP:  Okay, just for the record, did I advise you prior to our meeting why I wanted to interview you?

IS2:  Yes, you did.

GP:  And I gave you a pretty good understanding of the types of questions I wanted to ask you?

IS2:  Yep.

GP:  Okay, then.  Let’s get started.  And just let me say beforehand that if we reach a point where you don’t want to answer or simply want to stop the interview altogether, just say so.

IS2:  Okie dokie.

GP:  Okay, here we go.  Here’s my first question.  Did you vote in the 2016 Presidential Election?

IS2:  Sure did.

GP:  Did you vote for Donald Trump?

IS2:  You’re joking, right?

GP:  No, I’m being serious.

IS2:  Oh.  Well, then, no I did not.

GP:  Which means you voted for Hillary Clinton?

IS2:  Yes, I did.

GP:  Can you tell me why she was your choice?

IS2:  Do you want my smartass answer or you want me to be honest?

GP:  I want you to say exactly what you want to say and how you want to say it.  There is no censorship here.

IS2:  Because I felt she had more experience than Donald Trump.

GP:  In what?

IS2:  Umm…everything!

GP:  Was there something in particular that made you choose her over Trump?

IS2:  Everything, but nothing in particular I don’t think.

GP:  Even with all the controversy surrounding her about Benghazi and the emails?

IS2:  Yes.  My way of thinking was that someone with experience should be President, and she has a lot of it.  Trump has no experience when it comes to politics or holding an office as high as the Presidency.

GP:  However, Donald Trump did win the election and he is now the President.  Do you think he’s doing a good job as the President?

IS2:  Is that a rhetorical question or are you being serious?

GP:  I’m dead serious.

IS2:  No.  I think he’s a horrible President.

GP:  Tell me why you say that, why you think so.

IS2:  That’s an easy question, but the hard part is knowing where to start.

GP:  Just answer however you see fit.

IS2:  This might turn out to be a very long answer, Glenda.  Are you sure you’re ready?

GP:  Go for it.

IS2:  Let’s start with all the lying.  I don’t understand why he thinks he has to lie about everything.  Even the little things, things that don’t really matter.  He just opens his mouth and a lie flies out.  I honestly believe that he thinks he’s telling the truth, and that he has told so many lies for so long that he can’t distinguish the difference between what’s real and what’s not anymore, if he ever could.  He is a (sic) habitual, pathological liar, and I’m afraid that one day, one of his lies is going to be so serious that we, us Americans, are going to be the ones who suffer the consequences from it.  I mean, think about it.  All the name calling he does, the taunts he makes, telling Kim (Jong Un) that his button was bigger and our nukes stronger.  What the heck is he trying to do, get us all blown up?  Do you want me to keep going?

GP:  Absolutely.  You’ve already brought up a couple of things that I was going to question you about anyway, but we’ll get further into those later.  Keep going.

IS2:  I think he is a disgusting, despicable, vile person who only thinks about himself.  He’s an extreme narcissist with a violent temper and acts like a child when they don’t get their way.  He gets on Twitter and fires people, makes fun of them, calls them names.  What kind of a person does that?  Especially the President of the United States, for God’s sake.  It’s embarrassing.  He makes us all look like a bunch of idiots.  I sure hope people in other countries don’t think that all of us Americans think or feel the way he does.  I sure don’t share his views.

GP:  Some might argue with you that certain things have improved since he took office.  What would you say to that?

IS2:  I would ask what has changed, other than the amount of hate and intolerance that people seem to have for each other now.  I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.  It’s gotten to the point that you can’t even ask a Trump supporter a question about their beliefs without them taking your head off.  It’s unbelievable.

GP:  I hear you.  I meant changes like the economy and jobs.  Do you think that has improved?

IS2:  No.  I think he broke a lot of promises to the American people on that one.  For instance, because of his tax plan, Harley Davidson benefited greatly from it.  But instead of taking the money they made and distributing it among their employees, they closed the entire facility down in Milwaukee, putting hundreds of people out of work, and moved their facility to Thailand.  How does that help Americans?  Then he wants to help China get ZTE back up and running because “a lot of jobs were lost.”  I mean, I feel sorry for anyone who loses a job unexpectedly because I’ve been in the same shoes, but come on, seriously?  Shouldn’t it be America first and not China.

GP:  China is our ally.

IS2:  I know that, Glenda, but do any Americans benefit because a company in China is reopening?  And one, I might add, that has been surrounded by controversy and been in the news and had lawsuits filed against them because it was proven that they were installing surveillance gadgets in their phones and computers, and these were sold to the USA!  For what reason?  To spy on us?  And this (emphasis mine) is the company that Trump wants to help?  What is wrong with this picture?  I think there’s something fishy going on there.  I mean, I don’t want to make accusations, but something doesn’t sound right.  Wouldn’t you agree?

GP:  Hey, who’s interviewing who here?

(A laugh)

IS2:  I didn’t figure I’d get anything out of you.

GP:  Okay, let’s move on.  You just stated that ZTE has been in the news, which is one of my questions.  So instead of assuming, let me ask you the same question I’ve asked others.  Do you watch the news, or read newspapers, or magazine articles.

IS2:  All three.  I watch the news every day.  I don’t know how anybody could stand not knowing what’s going on around them.  I sure can’t.

GP:  What news channel do you watch?

IS2:  It varies.  I watch them all at one point or another.  ABC, CBS, NBC.  But I don’t watch CNN.  I think they’re way too biased and not so trustworthy.

GP:  How about Fox News?  Do you ever watch them.

IS2:  You know, I used to, but I don’t anymore.

GP:  Why is that?

IS2:  Because Fox isn’t news.  It’s propaganda, practically state run television.  I mean, did you see the news a couple of months ago where it showed all of the Sinclair stations reciting the exact same thing?  Man, that was creepy.  Reminded me of the Stepford Wives or something.  But I stopped watching because they were just too one-sided for me.  And I also thought they were rude to their guests, always cutting them off and never letting them get a word in edgewise.

GP:  Since you watch a variety of news channels without focusing on just one, is it safe to say that you’re familiar with the accusations involving President Trump and Stormy Daniels, as well as other females who have come forward with accusations of sexual misconduct involving the President?

IS2:  Yes, I’m aware of them all.

GP:  Do you believe what they’re saying?

IS2:  Yes, I do.  I mean, why would they lie about something like that?  Anybody who knows anything about Donald Trump knows he’s always cheated, that’s no secret.  It’s just part of who he is.  He even said in an interview that his own private Viet Nam was making sure he didn’t contract a venereal disease, so what does that tell you?

GP:  How do you feel about that?

IS2:  About what?  The cheating?

GP:  Yes.

IS2:  Look, I really don’t care who the man has had sex with, or how many times, or where he did it.  That’s his business.  But I do have a problem with him constantly lying about it.  But I think I have a bigger problem that his supporters believe his lies.

GP:  Okay, don’t get ahead of me.  That’s part of my interview questions, so we’ll get to that in a minute.

IS2: (Laughs) Okay.

GP:  Do you think, or do you believe, that the Russians interfered in the 2016 Presidential election?

IS2:  Absolutely they did, yes.  There is documented proof of it.  I just can’t understand why the issue hasn’t been addressed by Trump.

GP:  By addressed, you mean why he hasn’t said anything about it?

IS2:  Yes.  Why hasn’t he scolded Putin and his cronies for what they did?  Why hasn’t he reinstated the sanctions against them?  There has to be a reason, right?  I mean, it isn’t because Putin is a nice guy and deserves a break!

GP:  Do you believe that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to win the election?

IS2:  Yes, I do.  Mr. Mueller’s investigation has already resulted in indictments and guilty pleas, and what we’ve seen so far is probably just the tip of the iceberg.  The good stuff hasn’t even been revealed yet.  I wish everybody would quit attacking Mr. Mueller about the investigation and leave him alone and let him do his job.  You reckon they complained this much while other investigations were being conducted?

GP:  Which ones?

IS2:  Any of them.  What about Watergate or Whitewater, to name two.  Then there’s the Iran-Contra deal.  I don’t remember people trying to interfere with those investigations, do you?  So, why this one?  Why is Trump and his Administration so hell-bent on stopping this investigation?

GP:  What do you think?

IS2:  I think it’s because Trump knows the truth is about to come out about him and people will know the truth and it’s going to make him look bad.  I think he challenges the Russian collusion because it questions the legitimacy of his Presidency.  But just between me and you, Glenda, if I was being accused of a crime that I KNOW I didn’t commit, I sure as hell wouldn’t be trying to stop an investigation that would prove my innocence, I can tell you that much.  If he truly has nothing to hide, then move out of the way and let Mr. Mueller do what he was commissioned to do.

GP:  Do you want to add anything else to that?

IS2:  Haven’t I said enough?  (Laughs)

GP:  Do you believe this investigation to be a witch hunt?  Or a phony, made up story, as President Trump likes to say?

IS2:  I don’t believe it to be phony nor a witch hunt.  Let me reiterate something.  So far, there have been nineteen indictments, thirteen of those against Russians, five guilty pleas, and an attorney who is currently in prison for his involvement.  Hell of a witch hunt, wouldn’t you say?  Lots of witches there by my count.

GP:  In your opinion, why do you think President Trump continuously calls it a witch hunt and phony?

IS2:  Because he knows his base is listening to every word he speaks, and if you repeat the same thing over and over and over again, pretty soon, they’re bound to believe it.  It’s called propaganda conditioning.  You know, feed the masses the same thing over and over and over again until they’re full?  It’s what a dictator does, too.  You know, I hate to say this, but in my own personal experiences in dealing with Trump supporters, it’s almost like a cult, where they are convinced that their “god” or idol can do no wrong, and they will defend him to the death against anyone who dares to challenge that.

GP:  I’m glad you brought that up, because that was actually one of my questions.  Do you see him as a dictator, or do you feel that the US is heading towards an authoritarian state?

IS2:  I see signs of both.

GP:  Care to elaborate?

IS2:  Well, he’s constantly bashing the press, calling any story fake news if it’s negative about him or paints him in a not so pleasant light.  That’s one of the first steps towards authoritarianism.  Get the masses to disbelieve anything the press has to say.  He’s constantly attacking or slandering our institutions, like the FBI, the DOJ, the CIA.  That’s another step.  Make the masses believe that none of those can be trusted and that every person associated with them are corrupt.  That’s just not true.  All of those institutions are there to serve the American people, NOT the President, and the sooner he realizes and accepts that, the better off we’ll be.  Can I call him a dictator?  Not yet, but there’s definitely potential.  Think about what he said to the Chinese President when it was announced that he would be President for life.  What was it Trump said?  We, meaning the United States, might have to try that one day.  He may have been joking, but I didn’t find it funny at all.  As far as the press is concerned, I ask myself quite often whatever happened to the days of Chet Huntley and David Brinkley, Walter Kronkite, Peter Jennings.  They were all highly respected journalists and excellent in their fields.  I know that reporters sometimes embellish their stories to make them more exciting or what-not, but to outright tell lies, no way.  Do you have any idea how much trouble they’d be in for doing that?  I wish more people would think about that.

GP:  Do you think President Trump is a racist, or exhibits racial tendencies?

IS2:  Wow, that’s a tough one.  I think he says some really stupid stuff sometimes without thinking about what he’s saying.  Like that crap he said about Charlottesville and that there were fine people on both sides.  Seriously, dude?  Since when are white supremacists fine people?  But to outright call him a racist?  I can’t say that with certainty, but I sure do think he’s got it out for Mexicans for some reason.

GP:  Are you referring to the wall or what’s going on with all of the children being taken from their parents?

IS2:  Both.  I’ve never seen a President before who has wanted to build a wall so badly.  I don’t understand why it is practically the most important thing to him.  Only he knows the real reason why.  And as far as the children, I think the whole thing is sickening and disgusting.  How would they feel if it was them having their tiny babies ripped from their arms screaming and crying.  And for John Kelly to say that they would be put into foster care or whatever.  What the hell is whatever?  They’re treating them like animals instead of human beings, and I see that as a huge problem.

GP:  Are you familiar with what the Emoluments Clause is?

IS2:  Yes, I am, and I also know that the Trumps have violated that clause many times over.  I mean, did you see where he had the Presidential Seal put onto golf balls to sell in their online store?  And before you ask, yes, I know about the lawsuits.  Guess we’ll have to wait to see what happens there.

GP:  What do you think about the possible upcoming summit between President Trump and Kim Jong Un?

IS2:  I think it’s a huge mistake, especially for someone as ill prepared as Trump is.  I mean, do you honestly think that a dynasty that’s been in existence for 80 years is going to give up their nuclear weapons just because Trump tells them to?  Do you really think that Kim Jong Un has forgotten about the threats and taunts he’s received from Trump?  We’re talking about a foreign power here that has no interest whatsoever in giving up his nukes, and I don’t think it’s going to happen.  And these types of meetings take time to plan, possibly a year or more, and they’re going to do it in a couple of weeks.  In my opinion, that should be the first sign that things won’t go the way Trump wants it to.

GP:  Do you agree that President Trump deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his summit with Kim Jong Un?

IS2:  For the summit, no.  If he’s able to reach an agreement and get Kim to denuclearize, then yes.  But let’s not put the cart before the horse.  It hasn’t happened yet.

GP:  Many of his supporters think he should get it just because of his attempts, stating that no other President before him has even tried.  Do you agree with that?

IS2:  No, I don’t, and yes, past Presidents have tried, but have they asked themselves why it didn’t work out?  There’s a reason why, and they really should do some research on that.  They may be very surprised at what they find.  Bush tried, so did Clinton and Obama.  It didn’t work out for any of them.  But apparently, Trump supporters think he’s a better negotiator and deal-maker than all of the others combined, but we’ll see.  I mean, I hope it does work out.  I hope he is able to denuclearize the region.  On the other hand, I sure hope he doesn’t piss Kim off.  I’m really not interested in glowing in the dark, you know what I mean?

GP:  (Laughing)  I think so.  Do you use social media, like Facebook, Twitter or any others?

IS2:  Just Facebook.

GP:  How often do you use Facebook?

IS2:  Every day, just to check in with family and friends, read the newsfeed, see what’s going on.

GP:  Do you ever participate in any types of forum comments and conversation, or do you ever comment on anything that you see posted on Facebook?

IS2:  I have a couple of times, but I learned my lesson real quick.  You’re more apt to have your head bitten off than not, especially if you make a negative comment about Trump.  Man, I’m telling you, it’s like jumping into a lake full of hungry piranhas!  They’ll fight over who gets the most of your flesh, and that ain’t no lie.  But let me say this.  There have been many, many times that I’ve seen something posted that I wanted to comment on, but instead of inviting an unnecessary fight, I just scan past it and try to ignore it.  It’s not always an easy thing to do, but I try.

GP:  Been there, done that, buddy.  I know exactly what you mean.

IS2:  I can’t imagine anybody being mean to you.  You’re always so nice and pleasant.

GP:  You’d be surprised, trust me.  Have you ever had any kind of disagreements or arguments with family and/or friends over your beliefs, opinions and lack of support for Donald Trump?

IS2:  Oh, yeah.  Lost friends over it.  I’ve got family members that won’t even speak to me anymore.  I think it’s a shame, but it was their decision, not mine.  Don’t know what it’ll take to change it, either.  Oh well, right?

GP:  Do you know who Michael Cohen is?

IS2:  Yep.

GP:  What do you think about all of this controversy surrounding him with making payouts, selling pay-to-play time for President Trump, money laundering and all of the other charges he’s facing?

IS2:  I think he’d better flip and tell what he knows on Trump, or else he’s going to be looking at some major time in prison.  I think he should be asking himself that if the tables were turned, would Trump go to prison for him or would he flip and spill his guts?  And he should do it now before it’s too late.  At least now if he tells, he may be able to work out a deal, but if he waits, maybe not.

GP:  Okay, I think this might be the last question.  I think we’ve covered just about everything I wanted to ask you.  So, when the time comes for Mr. Mueller to go public with his findings, are you going to accept what he has to say as far as charges are concerned?

IS2:  Absolutely.  I mean, think about it.  The indictments he’s already produced are enough to show you that something definitely happened here.  Was it Russian collusion to help elect a President?  Was it obstruction of justice?  Is there something else, something more sinister that we don’t know about yet?  Those are all questions we’ll have to wait for the answers on.  Robert Mueller is a highly respected man, regardless of what Trump tries to convince his followers of.  He’s an attorney, a Marine, former director of the FBI…that says a lot about his character.  So if it comes down to making a choice of believing Mueller or Trump, hands down, no questions asked…I’m going with Mueller.

GP:  Okay, let me check over my list real quick just to make sure I asked everything.  I’m sure I did, but I want to make sure.  Yep, looks like I did.  Oh, nope, wait a second.  I want to go back to something and touch on it just a bit more.

IS2:  Okay, shoot.

GP:  Let’s go back to the subject of President Trump’s alleged infidelities.  I want to talk to you a little bit more about that.

IS2:  Okay.

GP:  I have seen for myself on Facebook people making comparisons of Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky to President Trump’s.  Their argument is that Trump didn’t do it in the White House and that it happened years ago, so people should just let it go.  What do you think about that?

IS2:  In my opinion, it doesn’t matter whether it happened inside the White House, in the back seat of a car at the drive-in movies or in the woods.  Infidelity is infidelity, no matter where it happened.  And why keep bringing up Clinton?  That was years ago, too.  Why can’t they let that one go?  And another point, he isn’t the President anymore, Trump is, and he should be held to a much higher standard than anyone else.  Unfortunately, he isn’t.  I don’t know why his supporters feel the need to excuse his abhorrent behavior, but they always do, no matter what.

GP:  Do you have an opinion on why you think that is?

IS2:  The only thing I can think of is they’re either completely and totally blind and deaf, or they’re completely and totally in denial because they don’t want to see it.  Just let me add one more thing to that, if I may.  I can’t comprehend how anyone who is, or claims to be, a Christian, can be supportive of such behavior.  I mean, the lying, the cheating, the debasement of others, making fun of people, the name calling.  Isn’t that everything that a Christian should be against and not supportive of.  Kind of hypocritical, if you ask me.

GP:  Do you have anything else you want to say, anything you want to add?

IS2:  As a matter of fact, I do.  It’s not a question though, it’s a statement.  Is that okay?

GP:  Of course it is.  Say what’s on your mind.

IS2:  I’ve spent the last year trying to figure out what has happened in our country.  Why people are so full of hate, why we have become so divided, why we argue over who’s right and who’s wrong when it comes to beliefs and opinions.  But no matter how hard I try to come up with an answer, I can’t.  I just wish that everyone, Trump supporters and non-Trump supporters as well, would realize that just because we’re on different sides of the political spectrum, we’re all still human beings with feelings.  But it has been my own personal experience, and I’m not speaking for everyone, just myself, that every single time I try to have a decent conversation, or even a debate, with a Trump supporter, it always turns hateful and they resort to name calling, debasement, anything hateful that they can think of, and I just don’t get why.  They will argue that they are right, even when I know they’re not.  It’s like the only opinion that matters is their own, and they’re not even willing to listen to anyone else’s opinion.  I don’t know what has happened, but I don’t like it.  I just want to see things get back to the way they were…when people were actually nice to each other, where we could have conversations without resorting to fighting and arguing.  What happened to those days?  Where did we go wrong?

GP:  I hear you, my friend.  I hope we see those days again, too.  Sooner rather than later.  Okay, I’ll have this transcribed in a few days and when it’s done, it’ll be posted to my website.  I’ll let you know when it’s ready just in case you want to read it.

IS2:  I trust you, Glenda.  I know you’re not going to change anything I said.

GP:  I appreciate you saying that.  But just the same, it’ll be there in case you do want to read it.

IS2:  Okie dokie.

GP:  Thanks again for doing this, for taking the time for me.  I really do appreciate it.  You’ve been a big help.

IS2:  Any time.  Let me know if you need me again.

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Until next time….

Take care and God Bless!

Glenda

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About glendascorner

I am a wife, mother, grandmother, sister and aunt. I worked for nearly 30 years in the field of law enforcement, but am now retired. I'm originally a southern girl, born and raised in Pahokee, Florida, land of black muck, Lake Okeechobee and the heart of the Glades. I now reside in Clarksville, Indiana and love seeing the change of seasons, the cold weather and blankets of snow. I love writing....blogs, short stories, poetry, and I just finished my first novel, entitled Animus, and hope to have it published.
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